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Perpetual session
by Andrea paz 14 Sep '20

14 Sep '20

I was testing the new git release to test the fps drop with transitions and the crash with fast reverse. I also have freeze (not crash) if I use fast reverse. It doesn't happen every time; it happens more often if transitions are present and if I use "Perpetual session". No problem in X11, only with X11-OpenGL. For me the problem of transitions is solved: there is only a small drop in fps, but it is instantaneous and immediately restored. The drop is more accentuated in Reverse, but immediately restored. Even with "play every frame" I have a more pronounced drop but this is also immediately restored. But I noticed that simply putting a transition in timeline leads to some messages in terminal (Messages that are repeated for each transition applied). This happens only if "Perpetual session" is active: Cinelerra Infinity - built: Sep 13 2020 09:14:25 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git (c) 2006-2019 Heroine Virtual Ltd. by Adam Williams 2007-2020 mods for Cinelerra-GG by W.P.Morrow aka goodguy Cinelerra is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for Cinelerra. MainUndo::update_undo_before 92 "": must be on an after entry to do this. size=39 UndoStack::dump 0 0x561f28222b70 perpetual load 790 ffffffff * 1 0x561f28224090 perpetual load 790 ffffffff 2 0x561f28223450 882 0000 3 0x561f2823d0a0 transition 790 0001 4 0x561f281fdf40 transition 524 0001 5 0x561f281fdee0 transition 524 0001 6 0x561f285277a0 transition 272 0001 7 0x561f2853f6c0 transition 272 0001 8 0x561f28408630 transition 4 0001 k 9 0x561f283135d0 transition 11968 0001 10 0x561f28526680 transition 1510 0001 11 0x561f284d4bb0 perpetual load 330 ffffffff 12 0x561f283e68f0 perpetual load 330 ffffffff 13 0x561f28312710 record patch 330 0004 14 0x561f28431bf0 record patch 185 0004 15 0x561f2854de50 record patch 185 0004 16 0x561f28551da0 record patch 52 0004 17 0x561f28526780 move track down 52 ffffffff 18 0x561f28456bc0 move track down 174 ffffffff 19 0x561f28408500 move track up 174 ffffffff 20 0x561f28385d30 move track up 40 ffffffff 21 0x561f28539df0 move track up 40 ffffffff k 22 0x561f284d0ed0 move track up 11874 ffffffff 23 0x561f28349d80 swap tracks down 1276 ffffffff k 24 0x561f2a914230 swap tracks down 11874 ffffffff 25 0x561f2a911f10 swap tracks up 1564 ffffffff 26 0x561f285299f0 swap tracks up 294 ffffffff 27 0x561f28391c20 move tracks down 294 ffffffff 28 0x561f28398b00 move tracks down 464 ffffffff 29 0x561f282ea000 move tracks up 464 ffffffff 30 0x561f2a90cc50 move tracks up 294 ffffffff 31 0x561f2a90a930 record patch 294 0004 MainUndo::update_undo_after 142 "perpetual load": must be on a before entry to do this. size=40 UndoStack::dump 0 0x561f2846e9a0 790 0000 * 1 0x561f28222b70 perpetual load 790 ffffffff 2 0x561f28224090 perpetual load 790 ffffffff 3 0x561f28223450 882 0000 4 0x561f2823d0a0 transition 790 0001 5 0x561f281fdf40 transition 524 0001 6 0x561f281fdee0 transition 524 0001 7 0x561f285277a0 transition 272 0001 8 0x561f2853f6c0 transition 272 0001 9 0x561f28408630 transition 4 0001 k 10 0x561f283135d0 transition 11968 0001 11 0x561f28526680 transition 1510 0001 12 0x561f284d4bb0 perpetual load 330 ffffffff 13 0x561f283e68f0 perpetual load 330 ffffffff 14 0x561f28312710 record patch 330 0004 15 0x561f28431bf0 record patch 185 0004 16 0x561f2854de50 record patch 185 0004 17 0x561f28551da0 record patch 52 0004 18 0x561f28526780 move track down 52 ffffffff 19 0x561f28456bc0 move track down 174 ffffffff 20 0x561f28408500 move track up 174 ffffffff 21 0x561f28385d30 move track up 40 ffffffff 22 0x561f28539df0 move track up 40 ffffffff k 23 0x561f284d0ed0 move track up 11874 ffffffff 24 0x561f28349d80 swap tracks down 1276 ffffffff k 25 0x561f2a914230 swap tracks down 11874 ffffffff 26 0x561f2a911f10 swap tracks up 1564 ffffffff 27 0x561f285299f0 swap tracks up 294 ffffffff 28 0x561f28391c20 move tracks down 294 ffffffff 29 0x561f28398b00 move tracks down 464 ffffffff 30 0x561f282ea000 move tracks up 464 ffffffff 31 0x561f2a90cc50 move tracks up 294 ffffffff Note: I didn't use move/swap tracks up or down! I don't understand why these entries are present.

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About Prores encode by Cinelerra-GG
by Igor BEGHETTO 14 Sep '20

14 Sep '20

Hi! I have done some tests with my footages about ProRes codec in Cinelerra-GG. My footages are yuvj422@24fps 8bit; LUT of the screen of my Notebook is 8bit for channel, NOT wide gamut. To use Prores-pro, Prores-ks I have to set the Project format to RGBA-FLOAT (Menu-> Settings-> Format...). If you create files by Render (or Transcode) when Cin is YUVA-8bit format, the files created may have clamped area (highlight and/or darkzone). You can see that using Videoscope tool. Important: Check your Project format is RGBA-FLOAT before you are doing Render or Transcode. I added 4 images to show Original, Prores by Cin when it is YUVA-8 (wrong), Prores-ks by Cin_RGBA-Float, Prores-Pro by Cin_RGBA-Float. Take a look at the Wafeform RGB on the Videoscope tool, please. I don't know if it works fine for 10bit footages (but Prores should be 10 bit codec, for that I know). IgorBeg

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Fast reverse playback crash in latest cinGG?
by Andrew Randrianasulu 14 Sep '20

14 Sep '20

I compiled git (commit 45a8ba3455cf252332c03533a7590df5267ce9aa) and tried this version Loaded 180p60 video, set project to RGBA-Float, set fader to some 70% Star playback = OK Fast playback = OK Fast reverse playback = crash after some time (from around 2 min on timeline back to very start) LANG=ru_RU.utf8 DRI_PRIME=1 cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: Sep 12 2020 19:20:27 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git (c) 2006-2019 Heroine Virtual Ltd. by Adam Williams 2007-2020 mods for Cinelerra-GG by W.P.Morrow aka goodguy Cinelerra is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for Cinelerra. RenderFarmClient::main_loop: client started FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Jean_Louis_dolphin_and_mirror.avi FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv AudioALSA::write_buffer err -32(РћР±СЂС‹РІ РєР°РЅР°Р»Р°) at sample 368839 ** segv at 0x884441a in pid 23242, tid 23470 writing debug data to /tmp/cinelerra_23242.dmp lock_items: 25 lock_frees: 12 ** dump complete Ошибка сегментирования guest@slax:/dev/shm$ less /tmp/cinelerra_23242.dmp guest@slax:/dev/shm$ LANG=ru_RU.utf8 DRI_PRIME=1 cin Cinelerra Infinity - built: Sep 12 2020 19:20:27 git://git.cinelerra-gg.org/goodguy/cinelerra.git (c) 2006-2019 Heroine Virtual Ltd. by Adam Williams 2007-2020 mods for Cinelerra-GG by W.P.Morrow aka goodguy Cinelerra is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for Cinelerra. RenderFarmClient::main_loop: client started FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv FFMPEG::open_decoder: some stream times estimated: /home/guest/New_hdd/Swimming with orca in New Zealand-JQ3mDXF3bcE.mkv ** segv at 0xf69ee694 in pid 23622, tid 23750 writing debug data to /tmp/cinelerra_23622.dmp lock_items: 25 lock_frees: 11 AudioALSA::write_buffer err -32(РћР±СЂС‹РІ РєР°РЅР°Р»Р°) at sample 627450 ** dump complete Ошибка сегментирования

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ru.po updated again (header only)
by Andrew Randrianasulu 12 Sep '20

12 Sep '20

Hi, all! Sorry for some mess-up, Igor asked me to send slightly edited version of ru.po He can't help much with translations now, so I remain only one russian translator. (i'm fine with this) His name and addr and years of contribution still should be at very top, behind # sign. I'll keep this version of po file as backup just in case my software (Kbabel) mess up header again. At least now I know *where* to put names ....

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Theme "bright" color inconsistence?
by Andrew Randrianasulu 12 Sep '20

12 Sep '20

Hi, all! User asked me how to make new themes for CinelerraGG. While I was unable to answer this question, I at least tried few themes more, and found theme "Bright" to have too-coloriful (IMO, for mostly-b/w theme) icon for 'locklablels'. I tried to GIMP them into something acceptable, but I literally can't make straight line (checkmark for activated icon) even with automatic line drawing! Attached are png files I de-colorized. I uncheked all of 'exif' stuff in GIMP"s png export dialog - this made files smaller, and I also run 'optipng' over them, and compile-tested them: root@slax:/dev/shm/tmp/cinelerra-goodguy-20200905/cinelerra-5.1/plugins/theme_bright# make clean && make cp ../../bin/plugins/themes/theme_bright.plugin /usr/lib/cin/plugins/themes/ cin launched without libpng's CRC errors (I had some if I left GIMP to write exif to png, as it did by default). And those icons kinda ..less-coloriful now. I think artistic user can start from copying existing theme and just modifying icons one by one, but what to do with hypothetical mytheme_theme.c and h files? They can remain the same if line colors not changed?

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Problem with Manual in Latex (TOC). @Andrey
by Andrea paz 08 Sep '20

08 Sep '20

Hi, Andrey There is a problem with TOC: "Contents, page ix. Numbers above 10.6.9 run into the text after them. It's a Latex setting somewhere, we had this elsewhere before." I do not know how to solve it, can you do something?

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Re: [Cin] Looking into minimal alternative Shortcuts
by daniel-cinelerra-gg＠opayq.com 08 Sep '20

08 Sep '20

I always think that potentially destructive operations like 'save' or 'delete', when assigned to single keystrokes, can be dangerous. We are much less likely to accidentally touch of ctrl+s than we are to accidentally type s. I have had a number of occasions where i'm working on complex projects with nested edls and accidentally saved my error, requiring me to retrace my steps. Speaking of this, I would like to suggest incorporating a feature which has frequently saved me in audio work: automatic backups. Mixbus (and to my knowledge, Ardour), make periodic automatic snapshots of the active session tagged with date and time. That way, if I screw something up, I can recover a version from an hour or two previous without having to start over again. I don't know if this could be compatible with the Cinelerra model of not collecting session materials in a single folder, but it certainly has been a help in those few times I needed it! Thanks for all the work everyone is doing! Dan > On 09/08/2020 9:26 AM Igor BEGHETTO via Cin <> wrote: > > > > Preview: I think that a software must to do user's life more easy, if --> SPAM? CLICK to BLOCK https://dnt.abine.com/#/block_email/daniel-cinelerra-gg@opayq.com/ > > This email is Masked using Blur - it was sent from lists.cinelerra-gg.org to daniel-cinelerra-gg(a)opayq.com (your reply stays Masked). To protect your privacy https://www.abine.com/faq.html#caniaddcc , do not forward this message, or add new recipients like CCs or BCCs. > > Thanks for being a Blur customer! If you haven't yet, [ Try DeleteMe at a discount. https://joindeleteme.com/?utm_source=blur&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=blu… ] > > > I think that a software must to do user's life more easy, if possible, because user will use the software. Then the question is (for all software): can Developers make the user's life more easy? If yes it is welcome. > > Many softwares use "Ctrl+S" to save and they are not only for Office, I think: Gimp, Inkscape, Scribus, AutoCad, Blender, Solidworks, Audacity, Kdenlive, Shotcut, Adobe Premiere, and so on. It is a standard as meter is the base unit of length in the international System of Units (SI). ;-) > > May be that a specific software don't use "Ctrl+S" to save but, what is the reason? (I would ask to the CCPNMR Developer) > > Shorcuts are used to optimize your work and, if possible, shortcuts (and the position of the key on the keyboard) should be intuitive. For all NLEs there is a standard: J-K-L. > For example some of my shortcuts are: > ================================================= > J - K - L (Play Normal reverse - Stop - Play Normal forward) if pressed twice J (or L), its Play Fast or Normal. > I - O (InPoint - OutPoint) > A - S (Jump backwards next cut - Jump forwards next cut) > > To summarize the jumps backwards and forward: > ----------------------------------+-------------------+-------------------+ > -Jump backwards to the next cut | Alt+LeftArrow, 'A' > -Jump forwards to the next cut | Alt+RightArrow, 'S' > -Jump backwards to the next label | Ctrl+LeftArrow > -Jump forwards to the next label | Ctrl+RightArrow > -Jump backwards... next Keyframes | Shift+LeftArrow > -Jump forward... next Keyframes | Shift+RightArrow > -Jump backwards to the next Autos | Ctrl+Shift+Alt+LeftArrow > -Jump forward to the next Autos | Ctrl+Shift+Alt+RightArrow > ----------------------------------+-------------------+-------------------+ > "Shift+K" and "Ctrl+Shift+K" no longer used. > ================================================= > > > Unfortunately, I don't think that my shortcuts can be implemented in Cinelerra-GG because it means to map completely the assignement of the shortcuts. And I understand that many users (old users?) don't want to change their assignement. I understand them (I no longer have the old "Move tracks Up/Dn" and theyr shortcuts ). > > > IgorBeg > > > > -- > Cin mailing list > Cin(a)lists.cinelerra-gg.org > https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/mailman/listinfo/cin >

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Looking into minimal alternative Shortcuts
by Phyllis Smith 08 Sep '20

08 Sep '20

IgorBeg, Earlier you indicated that you have a list of alternative Shortcuts that you would like to see about. When you have time, please send me this list as GG is looking into the possibility of allowing the user to choose a different set of only some. Thanks, gg/phyllis

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BUG on Clear keyframes (CinGG-release by GIT 30Aug 2020)
by Igor BEGHETTO 07 Sep '20

07 Sep '20

Clear Keyframes (Shift+Del) do not delete the right keyframes. Maybe it's too late for the monthy release but a bug I found. I don't know if this bug is also in the last GIT release. 1. Create three (or more) Fade keyframes 2. Highlight an area to select one or more Fade keyframe 3. Hit Shift+Del shortcut or Keyframes-> Clear Keyframes 4. It delete the wrong keyframes and move others. (Note: Settings-> keyframes follow edits = checked) Take a look the screencast at https://streamable.com/q58t37 Thanks! (Sorry for the late) IgorBeg

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Updated ru.po again, this time hopefully with Igor's email back!
by Andrew Randrianasulu 07 Sep '20

07 Sep '20

Well, it took me *a lot of time* to figure out I should put main translator in "Language-Team" field, and then also in comments ... I looked at GIMP's po file [1] only today, after Igor contacted me and asked why his name/contribution was gone from po file. Hopefully _this time_ I did it right! (but of course I can tweak/fix it further) [1] - https://github.com/GNOME/gimp/blob/master/po/ru.po

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